magazine????

[ripping r]

what do you all think about. keeping your gun loaded. will the spring in the mag weeken and not work so well or are they made to be loaded all the time.i have this arugment with friends all the time some say its bad for the mag and others say its ok. lets here your thoughts.

[soulezoo]

A lot of that has to do with the quality of the spring itself. I prefer not to leave a mag loaded long term and find out the hard way whether it is right or wrong.

I will generally swap out mags every so often so that any one mag is not "stressed" for a long period.

[AggieJustin]

Here's a ton of reading material from the XDTalk forum.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/general-hs2k-sa-xd-talk/88741-leaving-magazine-loaded.html

The consensus is that it doesn't hurt a quality magazine. The spring receives more wear from movement than it does from sitting stationary (in any position).

[ripping r]

Here's a ton of reading material from the XDTalk forum.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/general-hs2k-sa-xd-talk/88741-leaving-magazine-loaded.html

The consensus is that it doesn't hurt a quality magazine. The spring receives more wear from movement than it does from sitting stationary (in any position).

kind of makes sence to me. looks like it 50/50 leave it loaded and unloaded.

[Billyram]

I believe it depends on the quality of the spring used. Mag springs get weaker from use and some aren't very strong to start with. On a 1911 I've had good luck with Tripp springs and Wolf in others. I haven't heard of a Tripp spring going bad.
Billy

[n2moto]

A very old lady came into the gun shop where I used to work. In a brown paper bag she had a 1911 loaded to the hilt. Her husband had passed away it was the gun he carried in WWII.

She told us when he came home from the war he put that gun in the night stand and that was the last of it.

She left the gun with us after inspecting the firearm we fired the gun with the ammo. The mag had been loaded for over 60 years. It all worked. We didn't even clean it, until after we shot it.

[Fronty Owner]

do the springs on your car sag from sitting in the driveway? no, it from use.

group on other gun sites is use wears a spring more than a static load. as long as a spring isn't pushed past its limits, your fine.

[Redleg]

I know Sig and most any modern company that's gonna supply service weapons are gonna have "non-memory" type springs.

[ripping r]

I think this says it all.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_163_27/ai_99130369

[BT2Flip]

I think this says it all.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_163_27/ai_99130369


Good post !

[uptime]

what do you all think about. keeping your gun loaded. will the spring in the mag weeken and not work so well or are they made to be loaded all the time.i have this arugment with friends all the time some say its bad for the mag and others say its ok. lets here your thoughts.

That's a question I've wanted to ask also (and I'm a mechanical engineer!). There have been some great answers too! In fact, I have a couple of other guns that I would like to keep loaded (for home defense) but I've worried about keeping the springs under compression too long.

[Adaminak]

I know what the theories say, and I read what a few pro's think, but my experience hasn't always agreed.

I took over an armory position in Dec 2004 at a smaller USAF Security Forces squadron. The unit received their first shipment of M-9 Berettas in 1990 with additional shipments in increments to match increases in manning. SOP was to label the magazine, load it with 15rnds, put it in a storage rack and issue them with the weapons, keeping accountability of both ammo and weapon. This ensured all the ammo got carried regularly, even if the pistol was never drawn for use. No problem right? WRONG!

During my changeover inspection one check required accounting for all the ammunition. I conducted a hands-on count, to include the loaded 9mm. When I reached the magazines on the top of the issue board (harder to reach, especially for shorter folks) I could strip the first two rounds out like normal, and the rest could be removed simply by shaking the magazine front to back. Many of these mags hadn't been issued for some time, but they'd all sat loaded for many years. I went through 200+ magazines, and all but the newest issue (less than a year old) had spring fatigue to varying degrees.

I know what science says, but I'm not willing to bet my life on someone else's theoretical analysis of general metal conditioning, especially when my experiences have proven otherwise.

[BT2Flip]

I know what the theories say, and I read what a few pro's think, but my experience hasn't always agreed.

I took over an armory position in Dec 2004 at a smaller USAF Security Forces squadron. The unit received their first shipment of M-9 Berettas in 1990 with additional shipments in increments to match increases in manning. SOP was to label the magazine, load it with 15rnds, put it in a storage rack and issue them with the weapons, keeping accountability of both ammo and weapon. This ensured all the ammo got carried regularly, even if the pistol was never drawn for use. No problem right? WRONG!

During my changeover inspection one check required accounting for all the ammunition. I conducted a hands-on count, to include the loaded 9mm. When I reached the magazines on the top of the issue board (harder to reach, especially for shorter folks) I could strip the first two rounds out like normal, and the rest could be removed simply by shaking the magazine front to back. Many of these mags hadn't been issued for some time, but they'd all sat loaded for many years. I went through 200+ magazines, and all but the newest issue (less than a year old) had spring fatigue to varying degrees.

I know what science says, but I'm not willing to bet my life on someone else's theoretical analysis of general metal conditioning, especially when my experiences have proven otherwise.

SO You are saying ...DON'T BUY A M-9 Beretta...?
or if you do BUY aftermarket mags QUICK ?

[duner]

I think this says it all.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_163_27/ai_99130369

this should be stickied immediately. but even then there would be three or four posts a month regarding the same issue. i've asked several of my magazines if they would like for me to unload them so that they could rest, they just laughed. :D

[Fronty Owner]

Spring creep is real anytime you overload a spring and leave it overloaded it will creep (or break).

if the magazine is properly designed and the spring is properly sized and manufactured, then you will not have a failure.

[Kicker96FS]

I dunno but I bought a gun from a guy that would hunt with a Remington 30.06 and he would leave the mag loaded all year round, only one. so after I bought it I put a awesome scope on it and shot it a lot for sighting and fun (natch) and with one clip I would get jamb-ups. So I went to Riley's and bought a new one, now I get no jamb-ups from either clip.

[MikeyB]

I have some 7 round mags for my 1911 that has been loaded for the last 30+ years. Still working great. Only time the mags get unloaded is when I shoot the rounds out.

MikeyB

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