Pistol-Packing Pennsylvania Soccer Mom Sues Sheriff

[Gunlovingvet]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457367,00.html

More Koolaide please!!

[ofcmarc]

WOW!

At least she got it back.... Of course thet's why you CONCEAL it in the first place.

[wannadiesel]

What a dummy! Open carry is legal in PA but it's sure not smart. Ranks right up there with showing up at a Toby Keith concert in a Dixie Chicks t-shirt.

I'm with the judge on this one, she certainly does not show good judgment showing up at a soccer game with a gun on her hip.

[Shovelhead]

So you're saying the 2nd amendement only applies when everyone else approves? :confused:

If that's the case, in about two months we're ALL gonna be hosed.......

What she did was NOT against any law.....maybe not the BEST idea, but not illegal.
Where does the Sherriff come off pulling her permit?

There are many folks in Virginia who have successfully won judgements against uninformed LEOs/departments who have harrassed/arrested/detained them for legal open carry.

Either we have the right, or we don't........which is it?

[Gunlovingvet]

I bet she is always left alone by Creeps by packing packing heat.
When I lived in AZ it was common to see folks sporting Iron.
Check Your Guns at the Bar.

[wannadiesel]

So you're saying the 2nd amendement only applies when everyone else approves? :confused:

If that's the case, in about two months we're ALL gonna be hosed.......

What she did was NOT against any law.....maybe not the BEST idea, but not illegal.
Where does the Sherriff come off pulling her permit?

There are many folks in Virginia who have successfully won judgements against uninformed LEOs/departments who have harrassed/arrested/detained them for legal open carry.

Either we have the right, or we don't........which is it?That ain't what I'm saying and you know it. :rolleyes: The sheriff should not have pulled her permit and I never said that he should have. I said I agreed with the judge that she showed poor judgment by open carrying at her kid's soccer game - the same judge who reinstated her carry permit. The sheriff was clearly wrong here.

Just because you have the right to do something does not make it a good idea. If you are in a gun-phobic atmosphere, it is unrealistic to expect that you will not be hassled if you have a gun on your hip. This discussion is not so much about what you have the right to do, but what is the smart thing to do. See my analogy in my first post - you can wear the Dixie Chicks t-shirt but you'd be smart to put a jacket over it. :D

[Shovelhead]

My point is that even in gun-phobic Northern Virginia, and even in local $tarbuck$, folks ARE open carrying.
Sure they are getting a few shrieking soccer-moms, and panty-waisted Yuppies calling the cops with "Man With A GUN!" reports, but they're also educating the Cops and the masses that our 2nd amendment rights are also important.
The 9-1-1 operators are also getting "schooled" about asking the caller if the MWAG is acting strangly, or waving the gun around, or just shopping.
When the caller admits the MWAG is just shopping, the operator educates them on the Open-Carry laws of the State of Virginia.

The cop's job is still supposed to be to enforce the existing law...

As for the Dixie Chicks shirt at a Toby Keith concert thing.......If you got the guts to do it, it's still not a crime....If you're assaulted while wearing it, who's going to spend the night in jail?

Sounds like a 1st amendment protected thing to me.

[wannadiesel]

Argh! We are talking past each other here, Ed. I'm not disagreeing that we have a right. What I'm saying is that I think it's foolish to exercise that right in such a way that one draws negative attention to oneself.

[Shovelhead]

Dave, I'm saying that if we can't legally excersize a right if someone is going to disagree.....is it really a right?

[wannadiesel]

Her actions were legal and the judge ultimately upheld her 2nd amendment right - so yes, it really is a right.

When you get right down to it, the Constitution only affirms our God-given rights. What the courts say about our rights should be immaterial.

[Shovelhead]

Amen.....;)

[tightgroup]

I see nothing wrong with what she did.

Personally I would not open carry at my kid's soccer game but if she feels it is necessary then more power to her.

[n2moto]

So if one person open carries at the kids ball game it's not smart. What if 100 people open carried at the kids ball game would that make it alright?

[Kicker96FS]

I would almost bet money that there is a reason she is wearing on her hip and the "news" does not want to cover that aspect of it.

I think someone is bothering her and this is her way of saying "****-off, or else". She could be in fear for her safety and what better deterrent than wearing iron on your hip?

[godfather6367]

I"m with you shovelhead! The more people are exposed to it the better. Including the law!!

[Boatnik]

How about the right to concealed carry in VA except where liquor is sold, in a bank, in a school, etc. If it is our Constitutional right, why is it restricted? I feel that there should not be any conditions once you have been checked by a criminal background investigation. I also believe that if It has been demonstrated that I can legally and morally carry concealed in my state then I should be able to carry it across state lines including Maryland, Mass. and other non friendly states. The same Constitution governs all the states. None should be different in this ruling.:eek: WOW, I haven't gotten on my soap box in quite awhile. It sure feels good!

[Shovelhead]

How about the right to concealed carry in VA except where liquor is sold, in a bank, in a school, etc. If it is our Constitutional right, why is it restricted? I feel that there should not be any conditions once you have been checked by a criminal background investigation. I also believe that if It has been demonstrated that I can legally and morally carry concealed in my state then I should be able to carry it across state lines including Maryland, Mass. and other non friendly states. The same Constitution governs all the states. None should be different in this ruling.:eek: WOW, I haven't gotten on my soap box in quite awhile. It sure feels good!

You CAN carry in Virginia where liquor is sold (ABC store, local 7-11, Stop-N-Rob, etc.) ,
you just can't "Carry" concealed where you can drink it. (restaurant, pub, etc.) ;)
Virginia requires you to "Open-Carry" in an establishment that sells alcohol by the drink.
I remember after one of our Va Chapter "Appliance Recycling Events, Joel open carried his 1911 in a shoulder rig into Hooters.....and no one seemed to care.

As for a bank, there is no VA state law prohibiting it unless it's posted on the door by the bank.

Schools, ..you can carry into the driveway area of a school in VA if you stay in your car and if you have a valid CHP.

I agree, that restrictions are bogus, but I'm hoping that McDonnell will win the state house this election and overturn the restaurant ban......for a start. ;)

[Fronty Owner]

Oklahoma is a concealed only state.
You can carry into restaraunts as long as alcohol isn't their primary business.
Banks, federal, state, local government buildings or offices are off limits.
Schools are ok as long as you dont get out of your car.

[Boatnik]

You CAN carry in Virginia where liquor is sold (ABC store, local 7-11, Stop-N-Rob, etc.) ,
you just can't "Carry" concealed where you can drink it. (restaurant, pub, etc.) ;)
Virginia requires you to "Open-Carry" in an establishment that sells alcohol by the drink.
I remember after one of our Va Chapter "Appliance Recycling Events, Joel open carried his 1911 in a shoulder rig into Hooters.....and no one seemed to care.

As for a bank, there is no VA state law prohibiting it unless it's posted on the door by the bank.

Schools, ..you can carry into the driveway area of a school in VA if you stay in your car and if you have a valid CHP.

I agree, that restrictions are bogus, but I'm hoping that McDonnell will win the state house this election and overturn the restaurant ban......for a start. ;)

I realize more than most that we are getting older but, I sat at the same table:D I think???

Isn't it about time for another shoot??? How about in the spring? The backstop is still there only by now it is well ventilated. OOPS! I think I just hijacked a thread......SORRY!!!!!!

Most night clubs that I visited in my youth wouldn't even allow a pen knife past the door. I got "escorted" to the door for just having a Buck folder on my hip.

[Shovelhead]

In Today's News:

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1009/666606.html
Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead
LEBANON, Pa. - A soccer mom who gained national attention when she openly carried a loaded gun to her 5-year-old daughter's game was shot dead Wednesday along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide, police said.
Meleanie Hain and Scott Hain were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon, a small city about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.

more on the link

[ripping r]

wow thats convenient. mabey she made a little to much trouble. for the wrong people.

[megacabdad]

Wow!

People are crazy.

I feel sorry for the kids.:(

[Shovelhead]

From CNN on line:

(CNN) -- A Pennsylvania soccer mom was chatting with a friend via webcam when she was shot to death by her husband, who then went upstairs and shot himself, police said Friday.


Pistol-packing soccer mom Meleanie Hain was shot dead while chatting with a friend on a webcam, police said.

Meleanie Hain, 31, made national headlines last year as the mother who carried a loaded, holstered handgun to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game.

She was found dead in her Lebanon, Pennsylvania, home along with her husband, Scott Hain, 33, on Wednesday evening, Lebanon police said.

Hain was in her kitchen talking with a friend via webcam just before her death, police said.

The friend, who police will not name, was looking away from the computer screen when he heard a shot and a scream, police said. He turned back to the monitor, he told police, and no longer saw Meleanie Hain but instead saw Scott Hain firing several rounds from a handgun toward where his wife had been.

Police said that the woman's body had already fallen to the floor by the time the friend turned back to the screen.

Scott Hain then went upstairs to a bedroom, where he shot himself in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun, police said.

Meleanie Hain was shot several times with a 9 mm handgun, police said. Her fully loaded 9 mm handgun was found in her backpack hanging on the back of the front door.

[tightgroup]

That's a sad ending. :(

[ares338]

Gun laws and people's reaction to them are not always logical. Yeah, she was within her rights but her actions did not serve her well. You always have to have situational awareness.