Somebody school me on acp rounds in a revolver..

[BillReilly]

I've been told, and it certainly makes sense, about using the little clips on auto rounds in a revolver.
But the other day I watched a vid on youtube(a pretty lame one I admit) and the guy had a blackhawk 45. He showed, and did nothing to the auto rounds to drop them right in the acp cylinder.

So does the blackhawk cylinder require clips on the rounds, or is there something I'm missing here?

If it requires clips, I'd sooner get a 1911 for the 45acp, and just get a standard revolver, but if it's simple to use acp in a single-action, I'd rather get the blackhawk convert to make the most use of the ammo I normally have here....

[soulezoo]

In order to avoid using the half moon clips, the cylinder would have to be bored in such a way to headspace on the rim the same way an auto pistol does. Not saying it isn't possible, but I've never heard of it. Extraction would be the issue in my mind; without really thinking it through, unless the old SAA style of ejection rod were employed, how would one get the fired brass out? Being rimless, I don't see the common star extractor working.

[BillReilly]

That was my feeling, but then that little video I saw confused me, as I didn't see him put any clips on before dropping the acp's in.
I did see Charter is coming out with a rimless revolver(CARR), not sure how it works though. It doesnt interest me though, I want a long barrel.

[Larry Farr]

I was wonder about this too, I have been looking at some single-action replica revolvers lately and have seen replacement cylinders for 45 acp for them. I have not looked in person at one so I would be very interested to know how they work. If I find one I will post up.

[fairleahbritts]

I have a S&W M25 in 45acp and it will work without the clips as the headspace is on the rim. Without the clips extraction is very slow, but you can do it one at a time or using a small rod or dowel. In a single action they still headspace on the rim and you have the ejector rod to make it work.

[68 Fish]

Don't have one but I've always wanted one. One neat thing about the full moon clips is that you can make a really quick reload if need be.

[MikeyB]

There's a cartridge known as the '.45 auto rim' just for revolvers chambered in the .45acp so the full, 1/2 or 1/3 moon isn't required. Extracts just like any other rimmed pistol cartridge.

MikeyB

[BillReilly]

Found the scoop. Double-action always uses the moon clips, primarily so the star will unload them. Since single action uses the ejector rod, the cartridge headspaces with a ridge in the cylinder that catches the mouth of the acp cartridge - So in a single action, like the Blackhawk convert that I was hoping to get, they all load the same way, no clips or fussing needed.

I've never seen the Auto-rim cartridge, but I've also been told that the auto-rim cartridge won't work in the Blackhawk acp cylinders, not sure why...

[tightgroup]

Having another cylinder is not a bad thing but it does add cost.

I have a Ruger Vaquero and a Winchester 92 in 45 Colt, and a couple 1911's in 45ACP. It is a little bit of a pain to reload for both calibers but all you need is different brass. The bullets, primers, and powder are the same. :cool:

[BillReilly]

How do you like shooting the 1911?

[tightgroup]

How do you like shooting the 1911?

I have been shooting them for 15 years and love them. Treat them well and they will treat you well. :)

[BillReilly]

Good to know. I was almost lured into one at my local dealer on friday(an S&W). I held off to think about it some more, but I don't believe I'll be able to resist much longer LOL

[MikeyB]

Found the scoop. Double-action always uses the moon clips, primarily so the star will unload them. Since single action uses the ejector rod, the cartridge headspaces with a ridge in the cylinder that catches the mouth of the acp cartridge - So in a single action, like the Blackhawk convert that I was hoping to get, they all load the same way, no clips or fussing needed.

I've never seen the Auto-rim cartridge, but I've also been told that the auto-rim cartridge won't work in the Blackhawk acp cylinders, not sure why...

With a single action revolver (like the Blackhawk) the auto rim isn't needed. It's for DA type revolvers like the S&W's and 1917 Colts in lieu of moon clips.

Ah, there's nothing like the 1911. It's like an addiction, I'm up to three now.:D

MikeyB

[BillReilly]

Well, in lieu of a blackhawk convertible, my other thoughts are to get a 1911 for the acp rounds, and then maybe pick up a Heritage 45 - It seems the blackhawk is made of unobtanium, but the much cheaper Heritage I can buy all day long. I have the heritage 22 rev., which the sights are slightly off. But the revolvers are just for my general amusment though, so it doesn't bother me much.
I find myself staring endlessly at the Springfield Trophy Match.... thats probably unobtanium too LOL I may have to cave in and get the S&W 1911 at my local gun shop. It's a plane jane model, but new grips and it would be very nice - obviously I'm assuming the quality isn't a concern, so it's just the style.

[tightgroup]

I would go for the Springfield. Why? Because I tend to be a purist when it comes to 1911's. Springfield builds them the old fashioned way, with an internal extractor and without that lawyer-approved firing pin safety. They use a titanium firing pin which helps against accidental discharges in case the gun is dropped.

I think one of the best deals going is the Springfield Loaded. They also have great customer service if you ever need it.

I have one of their loaded stainless models in 9mm:
http://home.comcast.net/~fun2shoot/1911/SA9mm.jpg

My wife has their EMP:
http://home.comcast.net/~fun2shoot/1911/emp1.jpg

[n2moto]

Smith makes two revos that shoot rimless cases. The 625 45 ACP and the 10 mm. You can't go wrong with either they are both great guns, fun to shoot and with the 10 you can shoot 40.

[Shovelhead]

Charter Arms is building 3 new Revolvers that will load and eject the rimless 9mm, .380, and .45 cases without 'moon' clips.
They're supposed to be released sometime this year.

PS: I also have aquired a 9mm S-A EMP.
NICE pistol, and very accurate.

[BillReilly]

...I opted to order a Springfield Trophy Match and just got a Heritage 45LC revolver.
The revolver's fun, but it's been 3 weeks waiting on the 1911, I think he said 4-5 weeks backorder, so it shouldn't be much longer till I get it...I can't wait LOL